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Van D Laan (77th FS)
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PostSubject: Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design?   Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? Icon_minitimeFri Jan 08, 2010 5:22 am

I was wondering up to what level were the Lockhead fighter designers inspired by the Dutch Fokker G.I
Here are some pictures.

Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? Fokker1

Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? Fokker3

Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? Fokker_2

Wasp engine planes: 10 ready for service in may 1940 (out of 25 which were ordered by spain)
Mercury engine planes: 23 ready for service in may 1940 (out of 36 ordered)

First flight of the Fokker G.I: 16th march 1937
Length: 10,30 meters (Wasp); 10,89 meters (Mercury)
Wingtip to wingtip: 16,65 meters (Wasp); 17,16 meters (Mercury)

Armament:
Mercury: 8x M36 Browning 7.9mm machineguns (nose), 1x M36 Browning rear gunner.
Wasp: 4x M36 Browning 7.9mm machineguns (nose), 1x M36 Browning rear gunner.

Cruise speed: Mercury; 356 km/h. Wasp; 322 km/h
Top speed: Mercury; 475 km/h. Wasp; 434 km/h
Top speed at diving; 644 km/h.

The X-2 plane that you see is the prototype, it's equipped with a less reliable and powerfull engine (Hispano Suiza engine). The supercharger of this engine exploded in a test run, nearly destroying the entire prototype. Standard planes were equipped with Pratt & Whitney Wasp engines (ordered by spain, 25 units) and the Bristol-Mercury engines of 830hp each (ordered by the Dutch airforce, 36 units).
Initially the Fokker G.I would get British Rolls Royce Krestel engines, but the English government wouldn't allow the Dutch.

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PostSubject: Re: Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design?   Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? Icon_minitimeFri Jan 08, 2010 5:28 am

wauw so we had a plane with good guns!!

looks a lot to the Focke Wulf 189 though

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PostSubject: Re: Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design?   Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? Icon_minitimeFri Jan 08, 2010 6:32 am

No it doesn't, the Focke-Wulf Fw 189 was a reconnaissance/light bomber aircraft. The Fokker G.I was a heavy fighter (which could also carry a load of 400 kilo's on bombs). So their actual designs may look-alike, they are designed for a different purpose. Also the G.I was already in the air when the Fw 189 was being designed yet.

FW-189 design started in april 1937, first flight in july 1938
P-38 design started in february 1937, first flight in january 1939
G.I. design started in 1936, first flight in march 1937

*Also, the Fokker G.I.s still airworthy (not much, atleast 1) captured by the Germans were used as training aircraft for the Bf-110 crews. Just because it's designed to fit the same picture. Heavy fighter/recon/light bomber.

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Here are some additional pictures, just because I've fallen in love with this plane.

Some painting showing the aircraft weaponsystems
Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? Fokker4

What game is this?
Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? Fokker5

Fokker G.I. crashlanded
Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? Fokker6

Another crashland? With the pilot. The rear thick plastic window cover is removed for the pilot + gunner to bail out. Also when going down and not being able to crashland this would be their quick way out
Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? Fokker7

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PostSubject: Re: Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design?   Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? Icon_minitimeFri Jan 08, 2010 6:33 pm

I gess the game is Birds of prey or Combat flight simulator 3

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G-1 of 3JaVA during evening flight
Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? G-1of3JaVAduringeveningflight

Fokker G-1 302 prior to the war
Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? 302priortothebattle

Fokker 302 after the war, crashland after 2 airkills and 1 Ju-52 damaged.
Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? 302afterthebattle

G-1 330 crashlanding after taking down 2 German aircraft
Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? G-1330crashlandingaftertakingdown2G

1937 prototype version
Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? 1937prototype

Fokker G-1 at the aircraft show in France. 1936. The G-1 got because of its twin boom design and 8 forward fixed machineguns a lot of attention. 26 planes were ordered by Spain.
Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? Fokker-g1_1936

Dutch G-1 313
Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? G1313

G-1 342 was captured by the Germans after making only one flight patrol.
Lockhead P-38 based on a Dutch design? G-1342capturedbytheGermansaftermaki

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